Ginkgo Biloba/armour

2007-11-30 19:40:20

Holy !@$% ...that is SCARY!!!!!!!!...lost your eye sight completely for 10 mins.....whoaaaaaaaaaaa....
yes my temperatures are in the low-mid 97s...climbs up to low 98s late in the afternoon...right now it is 98.2
what did u do after you lost eye sight completely for 10 mins?...did u continue taking Armour later on?...did u reach an optimal dose or are u on an entirely different medication?
In a message dated 12/8/2007 11:42:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Dshale1@aol.com writes:

Weirdscience...... I personally do not think that treating yourself with Armour is a good idea. It is a thyroid medication and I believe you should see an endocrinologist before you decide you have a thyroid problem. I happened to see a nutritionist this year who put me on Armour just because he felt most women in their 50's need it. He had me take a test of putting a thermometer under my arm first thing in the morning and take my temperature. it was averaged to 96 over five days I was a candidate of Armour. for the rest of my life. The week I started taking it I was in Cabos (yes, in the sun) and even though I drank plenty of water I lost my eye sight completely for about ten minutes. It was frightening. I later went to a Dr. and had blood work done which came back as definitely no thyroid problem. My personal opinion is not to mess with your thyroid and as you know, Armour is not regulated.

Joanne

FW: glucotab site

2007-11-30 17:18:43

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Subject: glucotab site
Thanks to Bob Ritch for bringing this site to our attention, and to comments of others.
As pointed out, it is not a "drug". It is probably marketed as a dietary supplement (similar to melatonin, ginko, etc). My understanding is that the governing rule for these is the "Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 Public Law 103-417" (http://www.fda.gov/opacom/laws/dshea.html <http://www.fda.gov/opacom/laws/dshea.html
Section 6 says that "A statement under this subparagraph may not claim to diagnose, mitigate, treat, cure, or prevent a specific disease or class of diseases."
Dr. Robin has already submitted this to Dr. Chambers in the drug division (CDER) of FDA. My further understanding is that advertising issue of dietary supplements is actually handled by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).
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Some feedback from AGS-net

2007-11-30 12:43:45

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From: Shawn Cohen <v.cohen@...
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:22:30 -0500
To: agsocietynet <agsocietynet@...
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Subject: Re: Isn't this illegal?
Ivan,
I agree that this is crap and that it is worrisome. Yet, I believe that very few people are truly sold on this. In order for a patient to know that they have glaucoma, they have to have seen an optometrist or ophthalmologist. At that point, they would have been given eye drops.
Our communication with patients is such that they usually come with the bottle into our offices and ask us what we think before they take it. Could someone stop their drops and switch to this untested stuff? Certainly. But, I think that very few patients would actually stop seeing their doctor and stop all therapy and switch to GlaucomaTabs because some internet add or flyer said it was a cure. It would be no more likely to overtake proven therapies than the Nigerian emails we all get asking us to give us our personal account details for a wired money transfer would be able to cure us of our financial problems. It will work on some, for sure, but not the masses at all.
The difference here between the Nigerian emails and the glaucoma patient is that the glaucoma patient usually comes and checks with us before they do anything crazy. It's the years of trust that we built with them.
Shawn Cohen, MD
McGill University
Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Ginkgo Biloba/armour

2007-11-30 01:23:53

In a message dated 12/8/2007 11:42:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Dshale1@... writes:

Weirdscience...... I personally do not think that treating yourself with Armour is a good idea. It is a thyroid medication and I believe you should see an endocrinologist before you decide you have a thyroid problem. I happened to see a nutritionist this year who put me on Armour just because he felt most women in their 50's need it. He had me take a test of putting a thermometer under my arm first thing in the morning and take my temperature. it was averaged to 96 over five days I was a candidate of Armour. for the rest of my life. The week I started taking it I was in Cabos (yes, in the sun) and even though I drank plenty of water I lost my eye sight completely for about ten minutes. It was frightening. I later went to a Dr. and had blood work done which came back as definitely no thyroid problem. My personal opinion is not to mess with your thyroid and as you know, Armour is not regulated.

Joanne

Any one is currently visitng Dr NETLAND, Peter TN

2007-11-30 00:27:20

Hi
Can any one in TN can tell me their experiences if they are visiting
Dr. Neteland Peter in Memphis.
thanks

Angela

2007-11-29 18:41:24

Gosh Angela you should really be having regular appointments for your pressure to be checked...seems to depend where you live and obviously financial position as to the care one gets...I know my pressure should be checked more often, but usually runs well over when I am meant to be seen.. I have had both a iridotomy and a iridoplasty on my good eye, pressure is still to high, but is not checked regularly, I have recently noticed my pupil has changed shape in that eye and become some what elongated? due this week for a field vision test, but not sure if I see an actual Doctor for that.......because of my stupidity and not insisting the Dr send me to a specialist I have no sight at all in my left eye, high pressure had destroyed my optic nerve, and alto surgeries were done, they were to late to save my sight.....Kellie is naturally freaking out she has seen the effects on me, she is only thirty, since 15 has suffered from cluster headaches, a shocking condition, with pain
always focused in her eyes, and requiring imigrin injections for relief.....was a little uneasy to hear about the outcome of your iridotomy, the iridoplasty is OK pain wise just a little freaky for me as it was my good eye they were working on and altho the specialist said he wanted to do it [ at a hospital in another city] he forgot the appointment and his underling did it..that caused my anxiety...as for if it worked or not I dont really know, I understand it is done as a precaution for an acute attack, my pressure is still to high but I have not had an acute attack...thankyou Angela for your reply...Jan

Re: [glaucoma] Newsweek Article on Alternative Meds

2007-11-29 11:48:41

Matthew -

Thanks so much for the copy of the article I missed in Newsweek. I have been feeling very squeamish about the recent trend of this site in purporting the success/helpfulness of untested herbal or holistic remedies for glaucoma.

These remedies, often sold in so-called health stores (such as GNC in the USA - don't know if it is an international chain) do not have to meet the standards of the FDA (and even the FDA is not always the most stringent). So that often "pills" from one bottle of supplement differ from one another in the actual content of various herbs or chemicals.

We have to remember, also, that medications that are approved and standardized are derived from natural herbs, plants and sources that come from the earth around us. Remember that penicillin is produced by a genus of mold that grows naturally.

More of this kind of information and clear-headedness is needed.

Sandy Shapiro

Matthew Cope <cope@...

Excerpts:
" I was shamed into it by a new book from R. Barker Bausell, a
biostatistician at the University of Maryland. ... From about 1999 to 2004,
he was director of research for UM's center to study complementary and
alternative medicine. This is a scientific term for "something you heard
about from your hairdresser, who thinks she saw it on 'Oprah' "a category
that by Bausell's reckoning includes acupuncture, homeopathy, healing
magnets and assorted herbs and supplements. ... Bausell thought the least
you could ask of an actual treatment was that it work better than a fake
one, but when he examined the studies critically, hardly any did. So he
wrote "Snake Oil Science" to educate journalists and the public that "just
because someone with a Ph.D. or M.D. performs a clinical trial doesn't mean
that [it] possesses any credibility whatsoever The vast majority are worse
than worthless."
Full article here: http://www.newsweek.com/id/73283

Re: [glaucoma] anyone heard of Rutin affecting IOP?

2007-11-29 09:01:45

Joanne,

So glad for you. How much are you taking? I have been taking it too, but as always so many factors. It has made no difference for me.

Lilian

Newsweek Article on Alternative Meds

2007-11-28 18:52:13

Excerpts:
" I was shamed into it by a new book from R. Barker Bausell, a
biostatistician at the University of Maryland. ... From about 1999 to 2004,
he was director of research for UM's center to study complementary and
alternative medicine. This is a scientific term for "something you heard
about from your hairdresser, who thinks she saw it on 'Oprah' "a category
that by Bausell's reckoning includes acupuncture, homeopathy, healing
magnets and assorted herbs and supplements. ... Bausell thought the least
you could ask of an actual treatment was that it work better than a fake
one, but when he examined the studies critically, hardly any did. So he
wrote "Snake Oil Science" to educate journalists and the public that "just
because someone with a Ph.D. or M.D. performs a clinical trial doesn't mean
that [it] possesses any credibility whatsoever The vast majority are worse
than worthless."
Full article here: http://www.newsweek.com/id/73283

anyone heard of Rutin affecting IOP?

2007-11-28 18:30:19

Hi everyone,
I was using the supplement rutin for a health issue and interestingly,
when i hd my iop checked it was at an all time low: 12/13. i was still
on my xalantan as usual. This was suprising as my last IOP check had
been much higher.
i searched rutin and found a tiny bit of info that some glaucoma
patients use it, but not much evidence on its efficacy. i believe it
can be helpful for microcirculation. anyone heard anything about rutin?
thanks,
joanne

RE: [glaucoma] Glaucotab

2007-11-28 07:39:48

Felizardo,
I certainly wouldn't use that instead of glaucoma medications.
Sherry

Re: [glaucoma] Ginkgo Biloba - Ginseng

2007-11-28 04:46:08

Sherry,

Is it generally a good idea to take Ginseng only for people with low or normal tension IOP?

Thanks.

Lilian

"Ginkgo doesnt raise the blood pressure.
Blood pressure and IOP aren't related. Just because you have high blood
pressure doesn't mean you'll have high IOP.
The blood pressure relationship with glaucoma is this - if you have really
low blood pressure, your optic nerve isn't getting adequately "fed" and
optic nerve damage can occur. This is normally seen with individuals who
have normal-tension glaucoma - that is glaucoma where the IOP is within the
normal range, sometimes even low, yet optic nerve damage occurs.
Are you possibly thinking of ginseng? Insomnia is a common side effect of
ginseng and it can also raise blood pressure. It's completely different
from Ginkgo Biloba.

Re: Pain?!?!?!?

2007-11-28 04:06:14

unfortunatley yes. wasnt sure if that caused it or not

RE: [glaucoma] Pain?!?!?!?

2007-11-27 19:53:01

Are your pressures greatly elevated? An elevated IOP can cause eye pain.
Sherry

Pain?!?!?!?

2007-11-27 13:27:25

Does anyone suffer from any kind of eye pain??? my right eye is aching
into my brow which is making my head hurt. any help on this would be
greatly appreciated

Re: Naturopatia

2007-11-27 03:06:17

Where can in STORES I can FIND and PURCHASE Ginkgo Biloba online or in Stores

I am looking for that since long but could not locate any where. Also what is best doses for that per day.

Please post those details on group

thanks

Naturopatia

2007-11-26 20:20:05

Hello!!!
I want to know if are patients of Glaucoma or only intraocular
pressure, that have take some natural medicament, for the traetment of
Glaucoma and if have good sucess.
Somebody know this products:
GLAUCOTAB
GLAUCOTIN
EYBRIGTH
or
PUNARNAVA MANDOOR TABLET
i have a colirio TRAVATAN, but there are very much contra-indications,
and colateral efects, and i am very sensitive for this efects, when i
put the drops in eye.
Who can help?
Thanks

RE: [glaucoma] Naturopatia

2007-11-26 20:03:37

Generally if you find a supplement that advertises that it's a cure for
glaucoma.... you're just getting ripped off!
Dr. Ritch recommends Ginkgo Biloba to protect the optic nerve and also says
it can't hurt to take curcumin for general health. But most supplements are
really not that advantageous for glaucoma specifically. Eat healthy, get
plenty of rest and aerobic exercise, try to keep stress free and follow your
glaucoma specialist's instructions to the letter!
I did a little googling:
Glaucotab - an herbal combination - not sure what good any of that stuff is
for.
Glaucotin appears to be a homeopathic remedy. Does it work? Probably not
much. I've tried several homeopathic remedies and none of them have every
been of any benefit to me. I note one of the ingredients is cortisone -
that's known to be a problem for glaucoma patients who are steroid
responders. It can increase IOP.
Eyebright - glaucoma isn't mentioned at
http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/e/eyebri20. Nor can I find any
studies on eyebright and its effectiveness for glaucoma on the PubMed site.
Punarnava Mandur - according to a Ayurvedic site, it's useful for anemic
conditions. I don't think I recall seeing anemia listed as a risk factor
for glaucoma, although poor blood circulation can be because of a lack of
oxygen to enrich the optic nerve. PubMed has studies for this herbal for
liver and kidney function.
Can't find anything substantial on glaucotin or glaucotab.
If you want to spend your money on these things, fine. Just don't neglect
proven glaucoma treatments in the meantime! If you're having problems with
travatan, ask your glaucoma specialist to try something else. And side
effects can be minimized through proper punctual occlusion techniques.
And to be quite honest, right now I'm scared to death of herbals - so many
of them come from China and we're finding way too many things coming from
China have been adulterated!
Sherry

Re: List of question to ask Opthalmologist or glaucoma specialist

2007-11-26 16:25:37

Well the doc is a glaucoma specialist and gave me the test results, and
told me the kind I have and gave me the test results. not sure how to
read them lol
I guess I was overwhelemed. I go back in three weeks, to get the
pressure checked out and to see if the drops are working.

RE: [glaucoma] Timolol Lumigan combination drop - any feedback?

2007-11-26 04:52:50

I use timolol + Xalatan. (Xalatan is a prostaglandin analog similar to the prostamide analog Lumigan). There was a similar report that said the combination of timolol and Xalatan wasn't as effective as using them separately. Maybe my personal experiences will be relevant for you.

I found that using the two medications together was actually more effective for me, although there is a slight twist. Rather than using the combination drug, I simply use the separate drugs but I instill them into my eye at the same time. Basically, all I do is dispatch with the recommended 10 minute wait between drops. I wrote about my experiences on my blog here:

http://fiteyes.com/blogs/dave/2006/12/12/Interesting-Results-Of-Combining-Timoptic-and-Xalatan

Regards,

David

http://fiteyes.com/blogs/dave/

Timolol Lumigan combination drop - any feedback?

2007-11-25 23:16:00

I'm on Timolol twice a day and Lumigan at night and the Glaucoma
specialist wants to try a new combination mix of the two together. At
the same time he tells me that the trials indicate that this new
combination drop is not as effective in lowering pressure compared to
separately using Timolol and Lumigan. Has anybody tried the new mix and
how did you fare? Any info. will be appreciated. Thanks.

Re: New to Group!!!!

2007-11-25 19:12:58

drops and said that you have glaucoma and that my pressure in my eyes
are both 27. Now today, my right eye is very sore, is frustrating.

RE: [glaucoma] New to Group!!!!

2007-11-25 10:21:04

Welcome Albert! Stick with us and you will supported and learn LOTS! Mary

New to Group!!!!

2007-11-25 00:19:05

Hello all......
My name is Albert I am a 30 year old white male and today was just
diagnosed with glaucoma. When the Doctor told me this I was like in
shock, not sure what to say forgot to ask questions. Just one thing I
asked if I was going to go blind.
I am just happy to know that I am not alone.

Thyroid and Glaucoma

2007-11-24 22:14:30

I was in the process of getting myself treated for Hypo ...these were
the steps I took toward
achieving it :
1) got my salivary tests done from DiagnosTech.
2) then started on Isocort for a while..after 3-4 weeks switched to
HC..was on that for a month after which I ordered Armour( the med I
was waiting patiently for)...took me about 3 weeks to get the Armour(
from "the list")....but 3 days before I got the Armour I went to see
an Ophthalmologist since I was having floaters in my eyes..got worried
that it could be a symptom of retinal detachment.. .the doctor did the
tests...said the pressure was high (my Ocular pressure has always been
high...like 20-22)...he then suggested that I get myself tested for
Glaucoma.I had scheduled the tests for the next week..in the
meanwhile, the Armour arrived and I started with 1/2 grain a
day(sublingual) for nearly 6-7 days during which the pain in my eyes
steadily climbed...I couldn't be sure if it was the Armour or coz of a
test that the Ophth had performed the previous week( he was looking
behind the retina with a lotta bright lights).
Finally I saw the Ophth( not being able to bear the pain in my eyes)
he did the tests and said I did have glaucoma...the pressure this time
was nearly 32( mind you the pressure goes up when you lie down) ...so
nighttime pressure might very well hae been nearly 40..since I had a
hard time sleeping.
anywayz that was 3 months ago. my eyes were feeling ok...so I wanted
to get back on Armour and get myself treated for Hypo...started it a
week ago..well 10 days ago...now the pain in my eyes is really
unbearable.
I really dont know how to handle this.
Help!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

RE: [glaucoma] Thyroid and Glaucoma

2007-11-24 19:05:13

Hello,

Since you call yourself "weirdscientist", my advice would be:
1. work closely with your local ophthalmologist. Find one you can communicate with.
2. consult with a true glaucoma expert such as Dr. Ritch, even if it requires travel.
3. get yourself a professional tonometer and perform frequent IOP monitoring under the supervision of a doctor.
4. read http://fiteyes.com so you understand what I am talking about in regard to point #3 above.

Regards,

David

http://fiteyes.com/blogs/dave/

Re: Tests to figure out actual nerve damage

2007-11-24 14:58:03

In addition to a periodic visual field tests (glaucoma cannot be
diagnosed on the basis of just one field test), I have had OCT
(optical coherence tomography) and HRT (Heidelberg retinal tomography)
and stereoscopic photos. Another test some doctors use is GDX, which
is another kind of optic nerve analyzer.
How often your doctor orders these tests depends on his own
preferences, and how often your insurance will pay for it. I have HRT
every six months. OCT I've only had twice in two years. The photos
were done at baseline and not repeated.
-Deah

Responding to Vivian

2007-11-24 01:17:48

Sorry for the delay. I have been working my butt off in Bangkok.

If I am supplied with glaucoma information,
what do you need to be supplied with? All we do is trade glaucoma information
what to say and how to contact newspapers, TV, etc. I can commit, right now I am just a maybe.
Scott, Jean - can you help here?
Thanks,
Viv

Re: [glaucoma] FW: A new gonioscopy website

2007-11-24 00:16:03

Thanks for forwarding this Dr. Ritch. I looked at several of the video presentations. Interesting and informative even for a layman like me.

Dwight

WGD list of activities (with attachment)

2007-11-23 13:08:02

Hi Ted & Jeff
Can you bring the WGPA up to date as to what is happening wrt WGD and congress, state goverments, etc?
Thanks on behalf of me, Ivan, Scott, and George and everyone else
On 11/28/07 6:44 PM, "Vivian Werner" <vw@...

I have contacted state and federal representatives about declaring March 6, 2008 WGD numerous times, however, I have only gotten standard responses, and no help. Perhaps if some of the US World renowned glaucoma specialists contacted their reps, it might help the cause.
Thanks,
Viv

FW: A new gonioscopy website

2007-11-23 07:04:40

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From: "Alward, Wallace" <wallace-alward@...
Reply-To: "Alward, Wallace" <wallace-alward@...
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:27:58 -0600
To: agsocietynet <agsocietynet@...
Conversation: A new gonioscopy website
Subject: A new gonioscopy website
Dear Colleagues,
I am writing to let you know about a new website that I have created to teach gonioscopy.
For reasons that I can't explain, I have had a long-standing interest in gonioscopy (I am blaming Lee Allen and Paul Palmberg). I have been collecting gonioscopy video clips for about 20 years and have gathered about 100 together on a website that I am hoping will be an effective teaching tool.
Obviously the information on the website is pretty basic for the glaucoma specialists who subscribe to AGS-net and Glaucoma Net, but I believe that the site will be helpful to your residents, fellows and non-glaucoma colleagues who want to polish their gonioscopy skills. It is a place to send residents to see videos of indentation gonioscopy, spherophakia or angle neovascularization. Each of the technique videos is brief (around two to three minutes) so that residents can quickly get the basic idea of how to perform the Van Herick test or find the corneal wedge.
I anticipate having
This site is not sponsored by industry and, like most things in my life, is non profit.
In some countries and in some institutions some internet ports are blocked. If you have any trouble getting the video to stream please look at the troubleshooting page. People from 25 countries have already accessed the site while it has been under construction and, despite the huge streaming files, it works well in most places.
I hope that you find it to be a valuable teaching tool and I welcome your input on ways that I can improve it.
The address is easy to remember (gonioscopy.org). http://gonioscopy.org/
Best wishes.
Lee Alward
--
Wallace L.M. Alward, M.D.
Frederick C. Blodi Chair in Ophthalmology
Director, Glaucoma Service
Department of Ophthalmology
University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine
200 Hawkins Drive
Iowa City, Iowa 52242
Office: (319) 356-3938
Clinic: (319) 356-2380
FAX: (319) 353-7699
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Re: [glaucoma] List of question to ask Opthalmologist or glaucoma specialist

2007-11-23 02:43:37

What a great idea to have a list of questions. I can surely use that. Looking forward to the list.

Joanne

Tests to figure out actual nerve damage

2007-11-23 00:07:51

Dear members
Can you give the name of tests (like xray, photo etc. )(results of
which patient can also see) apart from the VISUAL FIELD test, that can
indicate EXTENT OF THE NERVE DAMAGE in Case of Glaucoma.
I have done visual field test earlier but, then no other test is done
And how frequently one should do such test, assuming his IOP is
fluctuating just little above target IOP.

Re: Can I shift back to my old eye drops

2007-11-22 16:08:20

Sherry

thanks for your response.

My glaucoma specialist only wants me to go for trab asap without any disussions with patient why?, so he is not ready to think or suggest any thing else at this moment. I dont have much confndent in my current specialist becuase of this methods of treating and discussing with the patient, he hardly has time even when you go with appointment to him. so I am trying to get evaluated by other specialists for second opinion.

In mean while, I wanted to know the experiences of the members in this regards, as some members

(1) weather it is advisable to go back to formulations of medicines that worked better few month back compare to current prescriptions.

(2) and how much time we should allow to know that particular combination of eye drops is working or not (2,3,4 weeks ?)

thanks

List of question to ask Opthalmologist or glaucoma specialist

2007-11-22 14:23:07

Dear senior members
Do we have list of common questions that applies to most of the
patient, that they can take with them and ask those question to
their glaucoma speicalist.
I am talking about specific question that only affect to the
diagnosis, treatment and understanding of glaucoma
I give few example
(1) Is it open angle glaucoma or close angle
(2) Is is normal tension or not
(3) What is cup/disc ratio
(4) What is thickness of cornea
(5) How my visual field test look
(6) What is the stage of nerve damage (advance, itinital, end etc.
above questions may not be exactly true. but if we have similar
complied list that can help lot of new patient to understand their
glaucoma and also ask appropriate questions to the specialist.
thanks

RE: [glaucoma] Can I shift back to my old eye drops

2007-11-22 07:37:12

Only your glaucoma specialist can answer this question. He or she knows
what's best for your eyes.
Sherry

Can I shift back to my old eye drops

2007-11-21 22:11:30

Hi
I was put on TIMOLOL and XALATAN in the begining of diagnosis of my
advance stage Glaucoma. Which was able to bring IOP down from
earlier 24- 26 to the 17.
than my medicine changed to
timolol - Lumigan
Xalatan-Cosopt
Xalatan-cosopt-alphagan
but non of these seems to work good and most of the time my IOP is
between 19-21 when I changed medicines from my previous one (timolol-
xalatan)
Now Can I go back to TIMOLOL and XALTAN looking to no effect of
other added medicines. Is it advisable or not
If I quickly one can know the effect of change of medicine in terms
of IOP change. Means If I go back to TIMOLOL and XALATAN ( from my
current medcines of XALATAN - COSOPT- ALPHAGAN) how many weeks after
the change I check the IOP AGAIN and can check that XALATAN TIMOLOT
combintaion is working for me again or not.
Your experienced input will be of great help.

Re: Optic Nerve Pit

2007-11-21 13:47:16

What concludes that I have glaucoma ?
I am 33 - far sighted. Vision Tests came clean.
Should I consult one more optometrist ?

post valve placement and laser surgery

2007-11-21 11:58:36

Hi,
My 80 year old mother had laser surgery (her 4th surgery on her right
eye-6th overall in two years) about a month ago. Not sure if the
another valve was inserted at the same time or in a previous
surgery. Her eye bulged abit after the laser surgery. She has had
two follow up appt's after the surgery with her glaucoma surgeon. At
the last appt (last week) he wanted her to see a plastic surgeon to
help her eye lid close over her eye- as it was no longer closing and
her eye was getting dry. She then just went to her reg. eye doctor a
week later for a normal follow up visit with him. He was very
distressed at how dry her cornea was. He immediately placed a call
to another doctor for us to see the following day- in his words
to "save the cornea". That doctor stiched her eye shut to help
moisten the eye.
We have follow up meetings with both the cornea doctor in a week, as
well as her normal eye doctor.
What are the implications of her eye being this dry? Has irreparable
damage occured? Am I completely crazy or should the glaucoma surgeon
have been more on top of this situation? Is this normal?
Thanks for any feedback.
Sonia

Re: [glaucoma] Optic Nerve Pit

2007-11-21 09:17:37

If I look at my forehead in the mirror with my left eye, my mouth is just a blur and I can not see my tongue or teeth. With my right eye, I am fine. I have glaucoma. Both eyes are bad but left eye is the one that is very bad.
sunil_chhabada <sunil_chhabada@...

My vision test came clean - twice - I did it from two different
places in 2 months.
My Symptom -
to me.
XXXABCDXXXXX
XXXXEFGHXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX
YYYY
Every where else vision is fine.
I checked with doc. he diagnosed me with something called "OPTIC
NERVE PIT"
He diagnosed me negative with glaucoma - but I read that optic
nerve pit can lead to it.
Does any one on the board have similar symptoms ? Does anyone
heard such thing ?
Thanks in advance for reply.

Re: WGD list of activities (with attachment)

2007-11-20 22:55:44

Hi all
This spreadsheet is a great start. Where do we take it from here?
We should put it on the website
It would be great if you had a staff to write descriptions of everything going on - it would make a book eventually
Perhaps the more important or creative or interesting events could be described in more detail.
Perhaps some events might be very useful for many other groups to copy if they thought of them.
Methods of contacting TV, Radio stations, etc might be more or less effective. Is there a way to cull descriptions of the contacts, sample letters, etc which were very successful to give to others who might not have the same aptitude for making approaches?
How often will you be able to update this table?
I don't think I got any mailing from 11/23 that was sent to IGR readership, unless it looked like a repeat of a previous e-mail and I didn't pay attention to it.
I don't see the USA on the spread sheet. I find it hard to believe that nothing is planned in this entire country yet.
Carol, Scott - can you fill George in on what is going on in NY? Maybe NY should start planning with Sherry and the glaucoma BBS to organize all the events going on in the US and Sherry could stimulate event formation and Scott could have TGF coordinate all the programs for the US and NYEEI could be the central medical institution coordinating institutional programs. Set up an organizational heirarchy. Kind of pyramidalize the informational system and activities so that people can all tap into what is going on and know where to turn and get help getting started and getting organized and obtaining ideas.
Let's get David Shields involved also. Sherry - how about Deah? Other suggestions?
Maybe we should make a master mailing list. I think I'll just cc everyone on all the committees. I think I'll just cc the BBS also. It's late at night. As I type this, I keep thinking of ways to add more people to pique more interest to get more ideas going. Why can't we get some major websites to put up announcements about this? Wouldn't it be nice if whenever you looked up CNN news or on the internet you saw a little blurb about World Glaucoma Day? How does one accomplish this?
You should send more than one mailing blast if possible
I am going to cc ARVO on this also. Maybe they can send a blast to ARVO members. Maybe ARVO can do something. Maybe if Retina helps Glaucoma this time, Glaucoma helps Retina next time. Please send the mailing from 11/23 to the ARVO office and cc me.
Other ideas welcome
Have to quit here. Leaving for Bangkok in 12 hours.
Best
Bob
On 11/24/07 9:30 AM, "George Lambrou" <gnlambrou@...

Dear all

Please find attached an excel file in which I have included the intended local events that were communicated to me electronically up to last Friday. I have not included the emission of stamps by the 3 countries that accepted to do that.

As you see, there's surprisingly little (64 events planned in 8 countries). I know that much more is being planned at many sites, and at the N. Orleans WGA meeting I asked for everyone to share their intentions.

Following yesterday's mailing to the International Glaucoma Review Readership (10.000 mails were sent out) I started receiving many forms, that I have not processed yet.

With kind regards

George

Robert Ritch, MD
Professor of Clinical Ophthalmology
Chief, Glaucoma Service
Surgeon Director
The New York Eye and Ear Infirmary
310 East 14th Street
New York, NY 10003
Medical Director and
Chairman, Scientific Advisory Board
The Glaucoma Foundation
Private - Tel: 212-673-5140
Director of Intelligence: Karen Cheifetz
kcheifetz@...
Patient Appointments - Tel: 212-477-7540
Fax: 212-420-8743
e-mail: ritchmd@...
http://www.glaucoma.net
http://www.nyee.edu

WGD list of activities (with attachment)

2007-11-20 22:08:09

Dear Dr Ritch
are you going to have a site for Doing Glaucoma Screening at the World
Glaucoma Day?
I would like to help if you do

Optic Nerve Pit

2007-11-20 17:19:22

My vision test came clean - twice - I did it from two different
places in 2 months.
My Symptom -
to me.
XXXABCDXXXXX
XXXXEFGHXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX
YYYY
Every where else vision is fine.
I checked with doc. he diagnosed me with something called "OPTIC
NERVE PIT"
He diagnosed me negative with glaucoma - but I read that optic
nerve pit can lead to it.
Does any one on the board have similar symptoms ? Does anyone
heard such thing ?
Thanks in advance for reply.

Fw: [glaucoma] Edit, please!

2007-11-20 02:56:57

Hi Eileen,
Sorry, I see what you meant. Actually hitting reply is what I usually do, which does not work. Hitting Forward can work but takes more steps. That is what I am doing on this one, also the "chain" looks different b/c the subject heading shows "Fw" as above. But good to have another way.
For now will try to remember Jim's way. I have posted my bumbling efforts in case it helps anyone else here.
Thanks. Done :)
Lilian

Re: MSM

2007-11-20 00:28:33

Hello Lillian,

Thank you so much for raising the issue of taking MSM. I have suffered for about the past seven years with pain in my side around the hip area and back. I have tried many therapies which didn't seem to help but recently have been going to an osteopath for this problem. He recommended the use of glucosamine with MSM plus exercises and I am finally getting quite a bit of relief after several months of treatment. My doctor diagnosed me as degenerative disc of the spine along with osteoporosis.

My optic nerve damage is about 90% of my one remaining eye and I'm now wondering from your email whether glycosamine is the same or a form of glucosamine which many people take for arthritis and joint pain.

I'm also wondering how glucosamine and MSM are affecting my optic nerve damage which I really can't afford to take chances with. My eye pressure has been very stable, around 10 for the last seven years since my last trab and my sight has barely changed as well, thank God. I am able to work at home fulltime on my computer doing employment counselling which I love.

I couldn't understand the technical jargon either in the articles you referred us to whether it was saying that MSM or glycosamine (if they are the same) helps or doesn't help nerve damage to the optic nerve. I'm hoping that it is saying that it helps my whole system heal, my eye as well as my joints and muscles but after reading both articles, I am really confused too. Could Dr. Ritch help us here?

Thanks so much,

Hazel C.

Re: [glaucoma] Start gearing up - World Glaucoma Day - March 6, 2008

2007-11-19 12:47:50

Dear Dr. Ritch,
I'm sorry I'm so late with responding to your call for volunteers, but I definitely do want to do something. I'm thinking that if I can get some source materials, I could offer to write an article about glaucoma for the local newspaper. I also have an acquaintance who's a columnist for a local paper so perhaps I could contact him to ask if he would be willing to write a column on it.
I have also been thinking further about how I can contribute in a more substantial way to research on glaucoma. Since I am trained as a biostatistician, I wonder if I could volunteer to do part time consulting relating to statistical issues for ongoing clinical and retrospective trials on glaucoma. I am even thinking of just changing course entirely, in terms of my career, and maybe spending the next few years until retirement working on this exclusively, either on a voluntary or a hired position. If you can point me in a direction where I could do this, I would very much appreciate it.
I will be seeing you in several weeks for a follow up appointment to the retinal hemorrhage found in September, so I can talk further with you about it then if you'd prefer. Although my professional career has been mostly in non-clinical and preclinical applications, I think I have enough basic knowledge and clinical experience to be able to pursue meaningful collaboration in a clinical setting. I'll send you an updated CV if you feel there's some possibilities.
Thanks so much for being my doctor,
Stan Altan (your only Mongolian patient)

Re: [glaucoma] Edit, please!

2007-11-19 08:21:43

Hi Sherry,

I have tried before to delete anything other than the most recent part of the "chain" - the most recent message - but with all the "postings" on the right margin, it is not possible. I have to delete, as I did just now, everything (your message) or nothing. I hesitate to do that regularly thinking that people won't necessarily know what someone is responding to. Is there another way to do this? Am I the only one who cannot delete all but the most recent message?

Thanks,

Lilian

[glaucoma] Edit, please!

2007-11-19 06:23:05

Hi Lilian,

Another way is not to edit by deletion,

but to edit by copying and pasting into a new email.

This gives good control over content.

Take care,

Jim Griffin

RE: [glaucoma] swollen eyelids

2007-11-19 00:29:23

Barb,
I had a swollen lid once - I probably slept with my fist in my eye and it
went down over the course of the day. If you have any questions like this,
you should call your glauc doc immediately, esp if you have trabs or other
penetrating surgery.
Sherry

swollen eyelids

2007-11-18 20:54:40

I woke up this morning with my left eye swollen. It's the part over
the eyelid, it's covering the eyelid. Any clues?? Barb

Glycosaminoglycans - trabecular meshwork or optic nerve; MSM supplement ok?

2007-11-18 08:19:34

Hi,

I have been taking MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane), but decided to see if I could understand better if it is something to avoid or to supplement for glaucoma. I still am confused, don't really understand the technical aspects. Here's a couple of references.

optic nerve

http://archopht.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/117/7/917.pdf

meshwork:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=8641839

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Lilian

Edit, please!

2007-11-18 08:10:48

Just a reminder - when you reply to a message, and especially a digest,
*please* trim your messages to remove anything that's not pertinent to your

Holiday

2007-11-18 00:29:21

Thank You and from me too to all of you! Mary

Re: Holiday

2007-11-17 12:52:54

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you in the U.S.

Adenosine for thallium (heart) IOP side effect-glaucoma?

2007-11-17 12:03:49

Hi virtual friends and hopefully Dr. Ritch:

I need a thallium (radioactive material) test for my heart (may require pace maker at some time, am being watched for Left BBB - Bundle Branch Block). The usual IV medication used to stress the heart is IV Adenosine, 25 mg. I am concerned that it could raise IOP. If at all possible, I am trying to have cardiologist agree to my using the treadmill instead of Adenosine, and he open. Am I being too over-concerned about the possible effect of Adenosine on glaucoma? I did the test on treadmill last year. Yes, I do plan to ask my GS next week, but I am thankful for opinions here.

Thank you so much.

Lilian

Re: [glaucoma] Adenosine for thallium (heart) IOP side effect-glaucoma?

2007-11-17 10:17:48

Should be OK
R
On 11/20/07 7:59 PM, "Lilian Rosenbaum LCSW-C, Ph.D." <ylrosenbaum@...

Hi virtual friends and hopefully Dr. Ritch:
I need a thallium (radioactive material) test for my heart (may require pace maker at some time, am being watched for Left BBB - Bundle Branch Block). The usual IV medication used to stress the heart is IV Adenosine, 25 mg. I am concerned that it could raise IOP. If at all possible, I am trying to have cardiologist agree to my using the treadmill instead of Adenosine, and he open. Am I being too over-concerned about the possible effect of Adenosine on glaucoma? I did the test on treadmill last year. Yes, I do plan to ask my GS next week, but I am thankful for opinions here.
Thank you so much.
Lilian

Robert Ritch, MD
Professor of Clinical Ophthalmology
Chief, Glaucoma Service
Surgeon Director
The New York Eye and Ear Infirmary
310 East 14th Street
New York, NY 10003
Medical Director and
Chairman, Scientific Advisory Board
The Glaucoma Foundation
Private - Tel: 212-673-5140
Director of Intelligence: Karen Cheifetz
kcheifetz@...
Patient Appointments - Tel: 212-477-7540
Fax: 212-420-8743
e-mail: ritchmd@...
http://www.glaucoma.net
http://www.nyee.edu

RE: [glaucoma] Xalatan on the head (] Re:Lumigan)

2007-11-16 22:33:25

Deah,
Not for everyone! My lashes grew out beautifully! They were always bumping
up against the lenses in my eyeglasses! I never had a problem with them
curling into my eyes or scratching my eyes.
Guess we're all different.
Sherry

Xalatan on the head (] Re:Lumigan)

2007-11-16 22:14:48

These must be very wealthy *baldies* or *baldies* with good insurance.
I started losing my hair at eighteen and though this bothered my parents -- don't ask -- it was never a big deal to me.
However, each little bottle of Xalatan costs me $65 out of my own pocket; so even if I wanted to grow my hair back, I think Rogaine or something like that would be cheaper.
Maybe the people who've been rubbing Xalatan all over their heads all these years are in pare responsible for its becoming so [preposterously expensive.
David and Xia (who has no shortage of hair)

"Baldies" have been rubbing Xalatan on their heads
for years!
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RE: [glaucoma] Re:Lumigan

2007-11-16 06:16:16

This is nothing new.... "Baldies" have been rubbing Xalatan on their heads
for years! Considering how few drops are in a bottle and how much would be
needed to rub on the head, that could get pretty expensive!
The link you sent didn't work for me. Here's one that will work.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119543055372597359.html
You know, I've really been missing my Xalatan eyelashes.... My natural
eyelashes are barely there and they were so pretty with I was using Xalatan
<g
Sherry
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Re:Lumigan

2007-11-16 01:39:39

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119543055372597359.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Check out this link. They are writing prescriptions for lumigan so that people's eyelashes will be longer...
Hope the link works. It is the wall street journal.
Sari

Re: What stage am I at and what does it mean

2007-11-16 00:03:37

It depends on where the peripheral vision loss is, and how much. A
patient can have peripheral vision loss on the visual field test and
still be classified as early or mild glaucoma. If you have normal
tension glaucoma, usually it isn't detected until there is vision loss
because if eye pressures are normal, and especially if you are myopic,
there is little to alert the eye doctor that glaucoma is present.
-Deah

Re: Normal tension-is it more aggressive and difficult to treat?

2007-11-15 21:20:58

Normal tension may be harder to treat, or it might respond well to
glaucoma eyedrops. In on study, about 50 percent of normal tension
glaucoma patients did not show any progression in five years even
without any treatment, so it is not necessarily more aggressive than
glaucoma with high pressures.
Of course, every case is individual and you won't know how your
glaucoma is behaving until you have been under a glaucoma doctor's
care for a few years. It might respond to eye drops and it might not.
It might not progress but it might. You don't know at the outset.
-Deah

RE: [glaucoma] What stage am I at and what does it mean

2007-11-15 10:28:00

Not necessarily. Did you ask your glaucoma specialist this question? Only
he or she will know what stage of vision loss you are and what your
prognosis is.
Sherry

RE: [glaucoma] Normal tension-is it more aggressive and difficult to treat?

2007-11-15 09:28:50

Harder to treat in the sense that the only treatment we have right now is
lowering the pressure. I was developing damage with my pressure at 16 so
the glaucoma specialist wanted to do trabs to lower me to single digits.
The ophth says the optic nerve looks really good now.
If the damage isn't due to elevated pressure then there's something else
going on that's causing the damage, generally low blood pressure, migraines,
Raynaud's syndrome - anything that could be causing problems with your blood
circulation - it's the blood that "feeds" the optic nerve and keeps it
healthy.
More "aggressive"? Not necessarily. Something to discuss with your
glaucoma specialist.
Sherry

eye size

2007-11-15 00:36:20

my doc said one eye is larger than the other. does this relate to my
glaucoma and is it an ominous sign?

Normal tension-is it more aggressive and difficult to treat?

2007-11-14 19:51:46

Is normal tension glaucoma harder to treat and is it more aggressive?

What stage am I at and what does it mean

2007-11-14 08:42:50

I have some perphreal vision loss, does that mean I am a late stage
diagnosis? If so, how does that effect my prognosis?

Re: inversion table

2007-11-14 05:01:51

Just a quick note of thanks to all who responded to my query re the inversion table.
Kind regards

Simon

Re: prior messages about sunlight

2007-11-14 01:58:19

Hi, I'm new to this group and would like to add a comment about sun sensitivity. I was taking Timolol and Alphagan drops along with Lumigan and had terrible sun sensitivity and rash around my eyes. I finally got a pair of sunglasses at Walgreen's for about $20.00 that were big enough to go over my prescription sunglasses so I could drive or even go outside. When I replaced the first two drops with Azopt, the problem was solved.

I still have trouble reading the illuminated eye charts at the doctor's office. All I get is white glare & the letters recede. Haven't figured out that one yet.

If you can't change eye drops, you might want to try the double sunglasses.

Pat

normal pressure glaucoma

2007-11-13 13:50:27

My mother has normal pressure glaucoma and is really scared. She's
contemplating trabeculectomy, but is unsure of the risks and wonders
whether it would really help things much. Also, she is wondering if
there are any new treatments out there that anyone knows of for normal
pressure glaucoma. She already is on eye drops.

[glaucoma] Sunlight

2007-11-13 12:26:26

Absolutely. And can you believe: My most recent monitor, a flat panel by Dell, has no contrast control! Once it had been installed, I called Dell and the low-vision company that had packaged my computer. They said that indeed this particular model, for some reason, could not be adjusted for contrast beyond a very basic amount that made no difference.
David and Xia

Even the contrast control on your computer monitor seems to make a difference on how your eyes feels!
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inversion table

2007-11-13 05:35:10

I've just purchased an inversion table - it is designed to stretch your body by inverting yourself on a see-saw. It's apparently good for bad backs, plus other ailments and general well-being. However, the instruction manual does highlight that people with glaucoma, detached retinas +++ shouldn't use it. Can anybody with first hand experience re this advise whether using this is a total no-no, or perhaps if it can be used in moderation. Glaucoma is under control, and the detached retina was just a small tear - quite a few years ago. PB of StM - if you are reading this - have lost your email address - would have asked you directly!

Thanks

Simon

Re: [glaucoma] inversion table

2007-11-13 02:30:54

We advise not using this if you have glaucoma. In addition, retinal detachments have been reported in patients using it.
On 11/16/07 6:09 AM, "SimonLipyeat" <slipyeat@...

I've just purchased an inversion table - it is designed to stretch your body by inverting yourself on a see-saw. It's apparently good for bad backs, plus other ailments and general well-being. However, the instruction manual does highlight that people with glaucoma, detached retinas +++ shouldn't use it. Can anybody with first hand experience re this advise whether using this is a total no-no, or perhaps if it can be used in moderation. Glaucoma is under control, and the detached retina was just a small tear - quite a few years ago. PB of StM - if you are reading this - have lost your email address - would have asked you directly!

Thanks

Simon

Robert Ritch, MD
Professor of Clinical Ophthalmology
Chief, Glaucoma Service
Surgeon Director
The New York Eye and Ear Infirmary
310 East 14th Street
New York, NY 10003
Medical Director and
Chairman, Scientific Advisory Board
The Glaucoma Foundation
Private - Tel: 212-673-5140
Director of Intelligence: Karen Cheifetz
kcheifetz@...
Patient Appointments - Tel: 212-477-7540
Fax: 212-420-8743
e-mail: ritchmd@...
http://www.glaucoma.net
http://www.nyee.edu

Re: Sunlight

2007-11-12 12:44:25

Sensitivity to bright light is called photophobia, and you are right,
anyone with any of a variety of eye problems or medical conditions can
have it, and there are a number of drugs that can cause or exacerbate
it.
I'm not sure glaucoma, especially early or moderate glaucoma, in itself
contributes greatly to photophobia. I don't notice any problems with
bright light myself; in fact I prefer a sunny day because I can see
better than I can in dim light. But as a contact lens wearer I have
always worn sunglasses when outdoors.
The only time I have noticed that my eyes are more sensitive to light is
my yearly exam with the retina specialist. An extremely bright light at
that close a range, in dilated eyes does hurt more than it used to, but
again, I don't know if that's from glaucoma itself or a side effect of
the three glaucoma eyedrops I take, or from dry eye, or from
blepharitis.
My point is that I'd consider a number of other possible causes of light
sensitivity before assuming it's entirely due to glaucoma. Some of
those other causes are treatable.
-Deah

Re: [glaucoma] Sunlight

2007-11-12 12:36:58

Because I work as an advocate in several groups for the visually impaired, I am around people with varying eye problems pretty much every day. I don't know of anyone offhand who has an eye problem who is NOT bothered by sunlight, glare, etc.
I thought my problems were more from retinitis pigmentosa than from glaucoma but from what's been posted here, maybe not.
But if the drops are contributing to it, I will accept it -- even though I used to be a very outdoorsy person and truly miss that more than any other single result of my vision loss -- because the drops are also keeping my pressure relatively low.
I don't mean this to quash any discussion. Please believe me. But I'd rather be bothered by bright light than not to be able to see light at all.
David and Xia
NYC
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Sunlight

2007-11-12 04:58:40

Prior to being diagnosed with glaucoma, I was having problems in bright
sunlight. It was actually painful. Also, the eye with the most damage
is dimmer. When I'm out in the sun and I close the damaged eye I see
much brighter. When I close the better eye it's dimmer. I also had
migraines in the better eye for 2 or 3 years prior to being diagnosed,
in fact that is what led me to get checked. I've been on Lumigan for a
year and don't notice any difference in brightness.

Re: size of pupil and IOP

2007-11-11 22:05:07

If you have narrow angles, anything which causes the pupil to dilate
(like a dark room) can bring on an attack of angle closure, and yes,
angle closure can cause your IOP to skyrocket.
It's important in discussing glaucoma to remember that there are
several kinds of glaucoma. The majority of people have open angle
glaucoma. Narrow angles and angle closure is a different kind of
glaucoma; it has a different cause, different treatment, and generally
a different outcome than open angle glaucoma.
For patients with garden variety open angle glaucoma, the test you are
talking about would not cause such an extreme elevation in IOP.
-Deah

size of pupil and IOP

2007-11-11 15:04:05

there must be some connection between pupil size, darkness and IOP. I'm sure how it all works but the dark room test where they had me put my head down on a table in the dark for an hour raised my pressure to over 50. they wanted to be sure I stayed awake or my pressure would go down.

RE: [glaucoma] prior messages about sunlight

2007-11-11 07:16:37

Darnell,
Maybe they'll see this post and just respond to it on the list?
Sherry

prior messages about sunlight

2007-11-11 06:04:08

When I used the key word "sunshine" and searched through the
messages, I found the following messages that reference to problems
with sunlight. Would it be possible for someone to send these people
a request for an update on their status. In my case it very well may
be the drop Istalol (timolol maleate).
Thank you
Darnell
Message #8683 of 17932 < phil soares
Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:06 am
hi !
I have glaucoma for several years now--about ten and am presently on
Cosopt and Alphagan twice a day in both eyes; I have developed an
inflamation in my left eye
which makes me very sensitive to light. I can't face sunlight even
with sunglasses.
I can't drive anymore in the day if the sun is up; my doctor says he
can't do anything
about it. Is this normal? Is there anyone on this site who knows
anything about this or
had a similar problem, I would appreciate any help as this is driving
me crazy. Thank you in anticipation!
sincerely,
Phil.
Message #7651 of 17932
Sat May 15, 2004 3:52 pm
Quoting Carol Ann <cab1965@...
"Carol Ann" <cab1965@...
annie4047
7597 Re: [glaucoma] Digest Number 1093
... very nervous about having any type of invasive surgeries. He's
writing a script for Pilocarpine to help with the *blinding* sunlight
problem I am having now. He says it will reduce the size of my pupils
and further reduce the IOP :-) I could not be happier ...
Joan Williamson
djjwilly@...
djjwill
May 12, 2004
9:27 am
message 7597
Re: [glaucoma] Multiple Meds
... been on 3 different meds since February 2004, while I await a
diagnosis and treatment plan. My eyes have become so sensitive to
sunlight that I cannot go outside without sunglasses. Otherwise, I'm
looking straight down at the ground. I'm on Timolol, twice daily;
Lumigan ...
message 7535
May 5, 2004
11:16 am
H. David Baer
DBaer@...
hdbaer100
message 3961
.. available for Rx sunglasses give what I consider to be adequate
protection at the sides. Can anyone recommend a solution? Hi, The
sunlight and glare drives me crazy when I am outside. I currently
wear transition glasses which I am not happy with for last 16
months ...
eardogie@.......
Jun 27, 2001
12:29 pm
message 2994
... go blurry quite easily when reading print or the computer screen.
Distance is mostly ok, however I'm quite sensitive to bright sunlight
(not normally a problem here in the Seattle area <rbg
reading books & magazines, but even when my eyes focus ok, it's ...
Sherry
Dec 2, 2000
9:13 pm
message 803
[glaucoma] Re: re: Effects drop have on eyes!
I HAVE HAD GLAUCOMA FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS AND THE SUNLIGHT HURT MY EYES
OR ANY VERY BRIGHT LIGHT THAT I LOOK AT. KATHY333 ... three years. I
have experienced an increased sensitivity to sunlight as well as a
worsening of my activity induced asthma. Wearing ...
mary kathryn decuir
Jul 21, 1999
12:42 am
message 802
[glaucoma] re: Effects drop have on eyes!
... three years. I have experienced an increased sensitivity to
sunlight as well as a worsening of my activity induced asthma.
Wearing ... precribed betoptic S. My problem is when I am out driving
the sunlight really bother my eyes, like my pupils can adjust to the
bright ...
Aaryn Landers
Jul 20, 1999
3:42 am
message 801
I was diagnosed with glaucoma this past april,my doctor precribed
betoptic S. My problem is when I am out driving the sunlight really
bother my eyes, like my pupils can adjust to the bright sunlight and
even when it get dark watching tv with a lamp on bother ...
kristen pittman
Jul 19, 1999
7:33 pm

Pupil size

2007-11-10 22:51:04

I do not profess to know anywhere as much as Sherry or Deah or Dave at Fieteyes.com or the many other people who are wise and post here.
However, on this topic, I will throw in the fact that pilocarpine, which I don't like having to use, makes people's pupils really tiny.
So maybe there is a correlation between pupil size and IOP?
I will sign off by saying I have too many things going on in my body to try or want to become an expert on any of them. I leave that to the doctors I see.
I do my best and that's what we all must do.
David and Xia
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New Moderator on team)

2007-11-10 20:17:57

According to that book on page 114:
"We now know that for most people, IOP tends to be highest in the morning,
within a few hours of waking. Still, several studies show that the IOP peak
may be in the afternoon for some patients. It is now believed that diurnal
and nocturnal fluctuations in IOP among glaucoma patients may be large and
may be responsible, in part, for the damage related to glaucoma."
There's no mention of the pupil being enlarged and it does say "in the
morning after waking". Pupil enlargement isn't in the index, either. Maybe
Dr. Ritch can shed some light on this.
When I first heard of this book, I thought the title made it sound
questionable, but Dr. Harmon is a very reputable glaucoma specialist and
this is a very informative and easy to read book.
Another book I really like is Coping With Glaucoma by Edith Marks.
Sherry
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Re: Deah, new moderator for our group

2007-11-10 09:43:34

Hi Sherry,

This is good news. Deah, like yourself, is a great asset to us.

I always look forward to Deah's posts.

They are models of clarity and are well informed.

We are most fortunate to have her join you as a moderator.

Every best wish,

Jim

Re: New Moderator on team

2007-11-10 01:29:40

Thank you Mary and Lilian. I am happy to help out.
-Deah

Re: [glaucoma] Visual Field Tests Glaucoma + Cataract

2007-11-09 19:06:29

Hi!
Glaucoma is a retina problem; cataract is a lens problem.
Glaucomatous field loss has a characteristic pattern in the retina.
The best way to diagnose this is with a Humphrey Field Test (or
equivalent.)
Cataract vision loss is not associated with any specific part of the
retina. It can manifest itself as distortion -- straight lines
become 'squiggly'; bright lights have radiating streaks (making
driving at night horrible); or a general overall loss of sensitivity.
Your ophthalmologist should have no problem in differentiating these.
BTW, you might want to discuss with him or her the idea of a
combination trabeculectomy/cataract procedure. That's what I did
about six years ago. My glaucoma specialist, Dr. Mary Ann Lloyd at
the Palo Alto Clinic, did both procedures at the same time. My
vision improved tremendously! Completely solved both problems
simultaneously.
earle
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Re: reduced blood flow

2007-11-09 12:57:50

I am vigilant about drinking enough during the day to keep my blood flow up since I know I have low blood pressure naturally.

So I drink enough to keep the volume up.

I know that dehydration leads to low blood pressure and since I usually clock in at 90/60 on a regular basis...

The tomato juice is just about the salt. I've been told to eat something salty before bed.

Seems like a silly thing to do so I just just do my water thing.

Sari

Re: Digest Number 2630

2007-11-09 07:38:47

I believe the advice to drink something salty at bedtime only applies
if you know your blood pressure gets too low at night. I wouldn't see
the point of doing it otherwise.
In my case I wore a 24 hour blood pressure monitor which did show that
my bp was occasionally dropping lower than 90/60 while I was sleeping.
My GS did say I could try drinking something salty at bedtime but he
also said it's not really proven that would really boost one's
nighttime bp. It's just a theory.
-Deah

Re: [glaucoma] New Moderator on team

2007-11-09 04:15:33

Sherry,

Thank you and Dave Mercer for all your good work, am so glad you are continuing. Deah is a great addition to the team.

Best and thank you so much to all,

Lilian

Normal tension

2007-11-09 03:46:03

I am new to this group and hope you can clear a few things up for me! My IOP is
normally-
with no medication- around 16. In my right eye, there is a large area of no
vision from the
center to about 2 o'clock. My left eye is not so bad and is my dominant eye. I
have a terrible
case of dry eye in both eyes. If I keep my eyes closed for 15 minutes or more-
like all night-
my lids are stuck to my eyeballs. My vision changes from not so bad to double
vision, acute
light sensitivity, and on and on...
I have been to Wills Eye Hospital after losing all faith in my local
ophthamologist. They want
to do laser surgery and I just don't get it! Since my pressure is OK and my main
complaint
has to do with pain from what seems to be dry eye- the double vision, etc., what
is the point
of the surgery?
Thanks for any advice you can give me.
Barb

Visual Field Tests Glaucoma + Cataract

2007-11-08 16:05:50

I have a cataract slowly developing in my bad eye. One of the results is
ghosting and blurring around sources of light, such as spotlights on stage
seen from a distance, and also around the lights in the visual field test.
How can my ophthalmologist determine if a deterioration in my fields is due
to glaucoma or to the cataract?

New Moderator on team

2007-11-08 10:18:45

Greetings all!
I'd like to announce that we have a new moderator for our group -
Deah. She's been an active contributor to the group for almost three
years now and has a good handle on glaucoma and what it's all about.
Dave Mercer and I will continue to be moderators and we're looking
forward to working with Deah on our team!
Sherry
List owner, moderator

Digest Number 2630

2007-11-08 02:37:38

It's high in sodium and theoretically, the high sodium retains fluids,
causing the blood pressure to go up.
Chris, have you checked your blood pressure at night? I have heard that
increased sodium really doesn't do much good.
Sherry

Lowering eye pressure

2007-11-07 19:32:50

Has anyone had experience with the Ex-Press eye surgery for lowering eye pressure? What are the benefits of this surgery as opposed to trab surgery.

Re: [glaucoma] Digest Number 2630

2007-11-07 15:54:43

i enjoyed reading dr. ritch's article ...
so my question is,
if a major contributing
factor to glaucoma is reduced blood
flow to the eye, what can one
do about it other than exercise
and drinking tomato juice (which
my glaucoma doc said to do) before
bedtime ??
also, is there anything that
correlates anemia with glaucoma ??
thanks, chris

Re: problem with sunlight

2007-11-07 12:24:00

-
I have had trabs in both eyes and cataract removal in right. I had
light sensitivity before while on drops and now after the surgeries
with no drops it has intensified to the point I cant go out in the sun
with out much discomfort. I havent researched that point yet but will
do so...Dorothy

Re: Looking at Glaucoma as a Systemic Disease ... Robert Ritch, MD, Professor .

2007-11-07 05:11:35

Thank Goodness for open minded, laterally thinking/researching,
wholistic doctors and scientists like Dr Ritch.
Joyce

Looking at Glaucoma as a Systemic Disease ... Robert Ritch, MD, Professor ...

2007-11-07 05:02:44

Looking at Glaucoma as a Systemic Disease

Posted : Sun, 11 Nov 2007
Author : American Academy of Ophthalmology
Category : PressRelease

NEW ORLEANS, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Glaucoma has long been considered
a disease of the eye. For most of the 20th century, it was equated with
elevated intraocular pressure. Yet, over the past two decades, an increasing
number of non-pressure-dependent risk factors have been identified, suggesting
that glaucoma can be broadly defined as the final common pathway of a number
of different disorders that affect the eye. Glaucoma may also be included in
a larger group of neurodegenerative disorders that share aspects of nerve cell
death, oxidative damage and low-grade inflammation. This group of disorders
includes age-related macular degeneration and Alzheimer's disease.

In a lecture delivered today at the American Academy of Ophthalmology's
Annual Meeting, Robert Ritch, MD, Professor of Clinical Ophthalmology at the
New York Medical College, Chief of Glaucoma Services at the New York Eye and Ear
Infirmary, and Medical Director of The Glaucoma Foundation, called upon physicians
to look at glaucoma in a different light: as the ocular manifestation of a more
systemic disease. Dr. Ritch examined two glaucomas with very different origins --
exfoliative glaucoma and normal-tension glaucoma, concluding that they are
characterized by findings that are linked to other disorders as well.

"I would like to advocate that many of the different diseases which we
categorize together as glaucoma have associated systemic manifestations,"
says Dr. Ritch. "We are finding a series of other risk factors that are
connected to ocular disease." Dr. Ritch cites data from studies, including
a recent finding linking exfoliative glaucoma with genetic variations in
the formation of elastic tissue, as evidence that glaucoma is not just an
isolated disease of the eye.

Exfoliative glaucoma occurs when abnormal aggregates of fibrillar material
related to elastic fibers along with pigment from the iris break off and block
the drainage of fluid in the eye, thus elevating interocular pressure. Exfoliative
glaucoma is the most common recognizable cause of open angle glaucoma in the world
and in certain countries is the cause of the majority of glaucoma cases. But the
degenerated or abnormal elastic fibers whose shedding leads to exfoliative glaucoma
are found in other organs as well.

"You can find exfoliative material all over the body, mostly in connective tissue,
such as the walls of blood vessels and cardiac muscle," says Dr. Ritch.

Studies have found that patients with exfoliative glaucoma have a higher incidence
of several other diseases, including Alzheimer's and vascular diseases. "The same
genetic variation that affects the eye is probably active in all these other tissues,"
says Dr. Ritch. "The gene is hopefully going to explain not just exfoliation in
the eye. Perhaps it's also plays a role in stroke and myocardial infarction."

By contrast, normal-tension glaucoma occurs when there is damage to the optic nerve
even when pressure within the eye seems to remain normal. However, Dr. Ritch notes,
patients with the disease exhibit other risk factors, particularly reduced blood flow,
or ischemia.

Patients often exhibit poor circulation throughout their extremities. They are
also more prone to sleep apnea and an abnormal reduction in blood pressure while
sleeping.

"Normal-tension glaucoma is really a nighttime disease," says Dr. Ritch.

Other risk factors associated with ischemia directly affect the retinal ganglian cells.
Cells are programmed to die when they are no longer useful or have become damaged,
a process known as apoptosis. But a genetic variation affecting individuals with
normal-tension glaucoma causes their retinal ganglian cells to die at a more rapid rate.

problem with sunlight

2007-11-06 16:38:01

If it is overcast or before the sun comes up or after it goes down, I
can see much better. I believe that my pupils are not adjusting to the
sunlight. Could this be a side effect of the drop Istalol (timolol
maleate). Anyone else get out in the sunshine and have everything look
too white? I tried sunglasses. Black/grey lenses do not work. Red
lenses work very little. Yellow lenses work best but nothing like
regular eye sight.
Anyone have experience like this please send me an email. You are
welcome to email me direct if you want to.
Thanks
Darnell
DBZS3333@...

RE: [glaucoma] problem with sunlight

2007-11-06 16:37:29

I'm not on drops and have noticed that I can see better at some times of day
than others. Don't know why that is though!
Sherry

Re: [glaucoma] Hi I'm new to the group

2007-11-06 09:19:21

Welcome -- you'll find it a very useful source of information. Tne resident expert -- and he really is an expert -- is Dr. Ritch. From time to time we get dragged into circular debates about alternative and complementary medicine, but the moderator makes sure it doesn't get too heated.
On 11/10/07 8:32 AM, "Maria Ellicott" <squarepegdc@...

Hi my name is Maria and I'm new to the group, I was diagnosed with glaucoma in April of this year.

Hi I'm new to the group

2007-11-05 21:28:43

Hi my name is Maria and I'm new to the group, I was diagnosed with glaucoma in April of this year.

Re: neovascular glaucoma

2007-11-05 13:44:34

Regarding iris plateau syndrome, see
http://www.willsglaucoma.org/supportgroup/20020327.php.
-Deah

Re: [glaucoma] neovascular glaucoma

2007-11-05 10:27:50

Hi Becky..quoting from a letter I just found from the hospital that did my surgery..dated23.1.02 : Visual acuity was 1/60 in the left and 6/9+3 on rt.Pressure 14 in R 57 in left. she has corneal oedema with a larhe epithelial defect on the left. the left angle was closed with chronic rubeosis and uveae, dilated pupil and so on .Of interest in the right eye I found a plateau iris configuration. I could only occasionally see the scleral spur.With compression she had variable low PAS around much of the angle at times covering all of the trabecular meshwork. Right optic disc was healthy.left deeply cupped ratio of 0.95..The right eye is undergoing of process of angle closure........" End of quote altho there is more in letter. Can anybody explain what all this means Jan

Hi everyone

I hope everyone on the list is well and that things are remaining stable for you.

I am always interested in the posts on the list and have found some useful information.

I have neovascular glaucoma (sometimes called rubiotic glaucoma). Does anyone else on the list have this type of glaucoma?

With all best wishes

Becky

Darkening under eyes)

2007-11-05 08:30:02

Oh doh! I didn't think that she might be trying to read it online! Thanks
Deah!
Anyway, the file has been uploaded to the files section. If anyone wants to
view it and can't get into the files section (links are on the left of the

neovascular glaucoma

2007-11-05 03:48:37

Hi everyone

I hope everyone on the list is well and that things are remaining stable for you.

I am always interested in the posts on the list and have found some useful information.

I have neovascular glaucoma (sometimes called rubiotic glaucoma). Does anyone else on the list have this type of glaucoma?

With all best wishes

Becky

Re: Status of Stem Cell Research

2007-11-04 21:41:22

Laurie, I doubt anyone really knows the answer to this yet. I read on
another board an estimate of 8-12 years--if you are talking about
optic nerve regeneration.
I just wonder, if this cure becomes available, how patients would be
chosen to treat. Only the worst cases? Only those who can afford it?
-Deah

Re: Darkening under eyes

2007-11-04 11:54:35

Yes, that is a common side effect of the prostaglandin type eyedrops:
Xalatan, Travatan, and Lumigan.
One of my mother's doctors thought she had a black eye (she only
takes Lumigan in one eye) and told her to make an appointment with
her eye doctor immediately because "something is wrong with your
eye." Got my mother scared for nothing--of course her glaucoma doctor
reassured her it was just from the Lumigan, which I had already told
her.
You can use makeup to cover it up, or I have found that a skin
brightener like Lumedia helps somewhat.
-Deah

Trab v.s. Tube Shunt

2007-11-04 06:43:30

I had my right eye one Trab in 1995, and recently the pressure was up
to 25 - 30 under the maximal medication treatment. So I will schedule
another surgery to get the pressure down. My doctor (glaucoma
specialist) insisted for the tube shunt procedure for the reason of
reducing the complication risk. I know that I still have another
chance to get the Trab on my right eye. If the tube shunt fails (even
after a few years) I will be totally out of good options. If I do
Trab, it may fail after many years and I will still have tube shunt as
a good option. To the best of my knowledge, trab is considered nowdays
a pretty successful and reliable procedure. Can anyone here or doctors
here give me some advice how I can convince my doctor that the trab
should be a viable option for now and a good choice for long run? Or
please help me convince myself that the tube shunt should be the best
choice for me now. The complication I experienced about 12 years ago
was bad, but it didn't destroy my vision. I kind of adjusted myself
and get used to it now.
Thankfully,
Jong

Re: [glaucoma] Darkening under eyes

2007-11-03 18:05:11

Manuscript attachedd

Robert Ritch, MD
Professor of Clinical Ophthalmology
Chief, Glaucoma Service
Surgeon Director
The New York Eye and Ear Infirmary
310 East 14th Street
New York, NY 10003
Medical Director and
Chairman, Scientific Advisory Board
The Glaucoma Foundation
Private - Tel: 212-673-5140
Director of Intelligence: Karen Cheifetz
kcheifetz@...
Patient Appointments - Tel: 212-477-7540
Fax: 212-420-8743
e-mail: ritchmd@...
http://www.glaucoma.net
http://www.nyee.edu

Status of Stem Cell Research

2007-11-03 15:33:44

I am wondering what the status is of stem cell research about glaucoma:
and what the outlook is for when and if they will be able to use this
to create treatments for glaucoma?
Laurie

Darkening under eyes

2007-11-03 15:21:56

Has anyone noticed a darkening under the eyes, possibly from the medication. I take Travatan. Barb

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Barbara Ann Stahly